Saturday, September 24, 2011

Banter 16 - How to Make a Deal With the Devil 101

Faust, unknown artist, unknown date


Good afternoon,

Thanks Mitch, Stacy, Cristina, Julia, and Isaac for banter last weekend.  The only thing missing was a big, eye-blazing conflict about conflict.  (Damn it all, we missed the whole point of banter!)  Combining some thoughts from all, but particularly from Cristina and Mitch, I walked away from the evening feeling sure that, yes, to be triggered by a different perspective than one's own is a fairly deep, animal response that we're not going to rid ourselves of; however, we can raise the bar ever higher on what triggers us.  We can practice, as one must for a thesis defense (Cristina's ex.), how we will respond to attacks on or dismissal of our viewpoint, even conceding intelligently when a flaw in p.o.v. is realized.  But locking racks, of course, is not uber-effective at raising any bar of intelligent discourse or human exchange.  This we all know, whether or not we practice it.  Even if your opponent is an utter idiot or logic-weakling, it's likely going to feel best to extricate your rack from his/hers, concede, or at worst pretend to listen for peace's sake until you can run back to your like-minded posse for reassurance (T.I.N....that's banter lingo, in direct opposition to the LOL humans, for "tongue-in-cheek").

So, onto Banter 16.  I'd like to schedule it for Sunday, October 16th 7pm, unless that works for no one but me.  Let me know (soon) if you can make that date.  For a topic, how about we take on a text examination again, to hyperfocus us all on the same thing, as we did with Shakespeare's Macbeth?  As we all have varying interests and time constraints, I'm going to include varying prep on the same topic below.  I'd love for someone else to pick Banter 17 & its prep, as I don't want to be in the role of picking our discussions every time.

Banter 16 topic & questions:  Examine a classic "Deal with the devil" tale of Faust, and discuss the particulars of this concept personally, culturally, societally.  Why do we like to have Faust-like myths as humans (across all cultures, belief systems, and eras, as far as I can see)?  Why do we need a "devil" or trickster to help make sense of human action or choice?  Does this help offset accountability for one's actions in life...devil-made-me- do-it mentality...or is there some other reason as well?

Summary of topic:  Faust is the protagonist of a classic German legend. Though a highly successful scholar, he is dissatisfied, and makes a deal with the devil, exchanging his soul for unlimited knowledge and worldly pleasures. Faust's tale is the basis for many literary, artistic, cinematic, and musical works. The meaning of the word and name has been reinterpreted through the ages. Faust, and the adjective faustian, are often used to describe an arrangement in which an ambitious person surrenders moral integrity in order to achieve power and success: the proverbial "deal with the devil".  The legend was popular throughout Germany in the 16th century, then was popularised in England by Christopher Marlowe, in his play, "The Tragical History of Doctor Faustus," then in Goethe's reworking of the story 200 years later, Faust becomes a dissatisfied intellectual who yearns for "more than earthly meat and drink".  If you find contemporary examples of Faust in story or play form, please share.  The BBC discussion below mentions the Faust devil as trickster, so oral trickster tales would be quite relevant too for contrast to the white, Eurocentric angle on this cross-cultural concept of "deals with the devil" or "being undone by some Other."  

Prep:  Choose one piece below, based on your time constraints between now & Oct. 16 & apply it to the above questions.
1. Read Goethe's Faust here http://www.einam.com/faust/index.html  (German on left, English on right after you click Part I or Part II).
2. Listen to BBC discussion/lecture on Faust myths and society's changing attitudes to knowledge, ambition, and costs on our souls of acquiring such (45 mins.).  Click here http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p004y2bt
3.  Read Christopher Marlowe's "Dr. Faustus" (1616) here http://www.gutenberg.org/files/811/811-h/811-h.htm
4. Much like ancient Greek Sirens, or Pan/fairies/sprites, or raven/fox, or Biblical Eve/Salome consider how women, particularly in the femme fatale/fin de siecle era, were relegated to role of devil against men.  A perfect example are these images of Pandora & La Belle Dame Sans Merciand this short John Keats poem herehttp://www.bartleby.com/126/55.html (all Eurocentric, apologies).
5. Watch the 1926 film of Goethe's Faust here Step aside Spielberg, this is worthwhile just for the special effects in the opening scene.
6. OR if you're swamped and the last thing you want is to add an hour or three of Faust to your life...Simply read above summary & take some time to contemplate the Faust concept on your own sans outside perspective, but avec La Belle Dame Sans Merci as your guide, "alone and palely loitering." 

Mike, there's also the Charles Gounod opera on youtube, here.

Sans Merci,
Sabine
Pandora, J.H. Waterhouse, 1896

Saturday, September 10, 2011

Banter 15 - Muddy water - to stir or let settle?


Sunday, September 18th, 7pm
Usual Place
Bring:  Usual Things

Topic:  Differing beliefs/points of view and why they evoke tension vs. curiosity in (the majority of) people. 



Prep:  Contemplate your most recent instance of being confronted with differing beliefs (p.o.v.) between yourself and another, particularly one where you acted in a tense manner vs. one of calm curiosity.  What happened in your body/psyche/heart/mind/emotions that tension became the response?  Perhaps it was useful?  Perhaps it wasn't completely useful?  Shawna, treasured Banterer, can't come due to travels this time around, but she shared a quote with me the other day that seems the perfect and simple prep for this topic:

"Do you have the patience to wait until your mud settles and your water is clear?  Can you remain unmoving until right action arises by itself.  -Lao Tsu

Well, not very often, but sometimes.

Or another version of it that I just found:  "Muddy water, let stand - becomes clear."  -Lao Tzu (600-531 BCE)

If other quotes, poems, stories, etc. arise related to this topic, please email them to the group.

See you in a week,
Sabine

Monday, May 16, 2011

Banter 13 - Is Art an Important Condition of Human Life?

Frederick Sandys' Love's Shadow (1867)

Video of paintings of women's faces & Bach's Sarabande (click here)


Guten Tag,

Thank you for last night's banter about human nature.  My favorite threads from the evening, or perhaps my favorite veils of Maya, were Shawna's hand gestures of the veils before one's metaphorical eyes and their removal; Mitch's calm drive to find that thing that separates human nature from animal nature & coming up with perhaps a consensus on "the telling of stories;" Jill's soft articulation of that sense of something quite beautiful and quite there behind the veils, and later tying that into the old Montanans whose "eyes themselves are like looking at a mountain"; Mike's surety regarding the social system being human nature on display, the doing equating with what/who we are without separation; Isaac's early tone of fatigue for one extreme (goodness) or another (meanness) when we discuss human nature; Gerda's example of how human nature likes to guard its post, as do the tenured professors at the U. of Auckland, with fervor at the expense of the rest of the "pack" and stirring the thoughts of when/how this might change eventually; and, my realization, after you'd all left, that I used to most value the ripping down of the veils and stories before my "eyes."  Whereas now, I most value the pulling them down, folding them, setting them aside, and then hanging certain ones back up when I want them there, and not feeling that I am less (any longer) because I like to lean on props (or enjoy the touch of the veils on my "face") like the rest of the humans (such as those old Montanans or old midwesterners who'd like to "bomb the bastards" but would share an afternoon with you that brims over with generosity and warmth of heart).  In conclusion, we're no simpler and no more complex than a hive of bees capable of the beautifully impossible, and capable of a full on swarm, and everything in between.

Onto #13.  We're thinking Tuesday, June 7 at 7pm for the next banter.  Topic:  Is Art an Important Condition of Human Life? (Which invariably begs the question to be sorted out first, What Even is Art?)

Assignment in the mean time:  Find a piece of art (visual, literary, musical composition, dance, etc) that means something to you, pulls on you, makes you soar, or maybe kicks you in the gut, but impacts you in some very noticeable/visceral way.  Share your brief thoughts on the above question with the group before June 7th (email me), but save your art for the night of June 7.  Bring it, share it.  I can play cds or youtube videos for those of you that take that route.  Stacy, you're welcome to give us a dance perf. in the flesh!

I've also attached some bits and pieces of Leo Tolstoy's "What is Art?" that is sure to agitate the waters in one way or another.  Perhaps take a look at it while you're contemplating the question "Is Art an Important Condition of Human Life?" and choosing which art to share.

Also, I'm craving a new person or two to fold into our mix. If you know of someone who would be at least mostly committal, a blend of generous/bold-minded, & revved up by our banter nights, please invite them along.

My best,
Sabine

Saturday, May 14, 2011

Banter 12, continued

Prep materials for Banter 12 - Human Nature - sent via email from Jill Fanning, Mike Fanning, Isaac Cohen, Theresa Vash, Sabine Brigette, and Anna Stene:

From Jill:  brief summary of 4 different visions of human nature:  Lord of the Flies, by W. Golding, The Course in Miracles, the Buddhist view, and the Shamanic view (Native Americans Jill has personally worked with).  (doc file in Jill's own words)

From Mike:  "Morals Without God?" by Frans de Waal  (doc file The Stone)

From Isaac:  http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2009/12/the-science-of-success/7761/
Isaac suggests "thinking of the 'greenhouse care' for 'orchid children' as not necessarily always a matter of coddling, caution, climate-control and such, but as potentially including non-easy things like vigorous activity, discipline, and accountability."

From Sabine:  Read Robert Frost's "The Road Not Taken" and "Mending Wall."

From Theresa:  Michael Jackson's "Human Nature" - "if this town is just an apple, then let me take a bite"

From Anna:  (swiped from her email signature)
In riding a horse we borrow freedom. ~Helen Thomson
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Good morning,

I, for one, have yet to read the Banter 12 readings on Human Nature, but look forward to it for evening reading tonight...& maybe a little saved for tomorrow.  This is a reminder note that we're meeting tomorrow night, May 15 (Sunday), at 7pm at my house for Banter 12. (Or, for Anna, post-shift!).  If you've received this invite to your inbox but have yet to come, please do.  We'll envelop you like a bee hive (that is, like a fellow bee, not like a swarm with stingers out).

That bee note is a reference to the E.O. Wilson I was reading last night On Human Nature.  I'm reading the chapter about Altruism, because this is an aspect of "human nature," or as it turns out bee nature, that I am interested in.  I treasure the Amelies of life (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sECzJY07oK4), but disdain the times I (or others) approach an Amelie-like act and then end up talking about it, even when we think we're being modest, while instead engaging in full-on bragging in our subtle human ways. I think of people at my church, the Unitarian set out on Trumble Creek (lots of liberals, a fair handful of atheists, largely for social justice & tolerance), and I somehow resent the pressure to be a good human (when I go there lately).  Last week I was at church, and I just wanted to carry on with the conversation I was deeply enjoying with two other people, when the wife of one (who is volunteer #1 at the church) swooped in and suggested that we all help put chairs away.  Our conversation and connection was dispersed as if a bomb had gone off; our sentences stalled out mid-way; no grand conclusion was reached, no further camaraderie; and, we separated, a bit dazed by how quickly things went from really meaningful and engaged to much less so.  Who in that scenario was being altruistic or selfish, really, I wondered to myself, as I watched the wife buzz around with little eye contact doing many needed-to-do things, as I watched the husband break from the conversation and quietly stack chairs, as I watched myself stack one and then go outside to resume deep conversing with two other people well-known to me to be generous in intellectual conversing, and frugal with church volunteerism.  I see no altruism in that scene.

Here's a quote from E.O. that I liked from last night's read:  "Generosity without hope of reciprocation is the rarest and most cherished of human behaviors, subtle and difficult to define, distributed in a highly selective pattern, surrounded by ritual and circumstance, and honored by medallions and emotional orations.  We sanctify true altruism in order to reward it and thus to make it less than true, and by that means to promote its recurrence in others." (Wilson, 149)

I hope, to high heaven (and deep space), that no one will ask us to stack chairs tomorrow night right when we've gotten underway.  

Can't wait,
Sabine

Sunday, April 10, 2011

The Twelfth Night, or What You Will









And so we arrive, fellow banterers, to preparing for our twelfth night:  Sunday, May 15, 7pm.  Thank you warmly for this.

A little historical context on the term (likely quite unrelated to our 12th banter, but fun nonetheless, after our topic tonight):
The title Twelfth Night, or What You Will, prepares the audience for its jovial feel of festivities consisting of drink, dance, and giving in to general self-indulgence.  "Twelfth Night" is a reference to the twelfth night after Christmas Day, called the Eve of the Feast of Epiphany. It was originally a Catholic holiday but, prior to Shakespeare's play, had become a day of revelry. Servants often dressed up as their masters, men as women and so forth. The Twelfth Night marked the end of a winter festival that started on All Hallows Eve — now more commonly known as Halloween. The Lord of Misrule symbolized the world turning upside down. On this day the King and all those who were high would become the peasants and vice versa. At the beginning of the Twelfth Night festival, a cake that contained a bean was eaten. The person who found the bean would rule the feast. Midnight signaled the end of his rule and the world would return to normal. 

Any or all of the above is welcome to be brought into our 12th banter as you like.  Some of it may fit in nicely with our topic, actually.  Not to worry, it is not more Shakespeare:


Topic:  Human Nature (the exceedingly narrow subject, as Mike put it)

Task:  Contemplate Human Nature.  Is it ruled by the Lord of Misrule, or isn't it?  Perhaps it is altruistic at its base?  Perhaps loving, compassionate?  Perhaps pack-animalesque? Does Human Nature straddle cultural and historical contexts?  Or not? Try to find a source (a poem, essay, article, piece of fiction, podcast, song, piece of art, excel spreadsheet, scribbled on sticky note dropped in the street, etc.) that reflects your take on human nature (please pick one), including any questions you have for the group & email it to me by April 22nd.  I'll then put everyone's bits and pieces into a document and email it to the group for prep reading.

Most cordially,
Sabine



Thursday, March 24, 2011

The Eleventh Banter

Can't help but think that we're really getting down to something now when it's phrased like that, The Eleventh Banter!  A bit foreboding almost.  Though hopefully not in line with the eleventh hour, "a time which is nearly too late," nor in line with that horridly graceless parable from Matthew that must only ever have produced angst and anger and very little grace.

Anyhow, hello!

Our last Sunday's discussion of Macbeth was exceptionally layered, articulate, and interesting...though there had certainly been some trepidation to take on Shakespeare vs. one of our more general philosophical discussions.  We may revisit the reading of a play or story or book again in the future, but for now, back to a general philosophical topic:  Springing vaguely off Macbeth's "Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player /That struts and frets his hour upon the stage / And then is heard no more" it seemed compelling to all of us to look a bit more at history and historical context for the next banter.  We wondered why, for example, there would be such existentialist-like lines in Shakespeare's play (like the above) beside lines about heaven/hell, and lines about superstition/fate.

Put it down, Lady Macbeth!  It's not going to be worth it - Put it down!


I have attached the prep materials (below) for The Eleventh Banter.  There are only 5 pages & they aren't pedantic or tedious, but stirring, particularly for a bunch of skeptics & atheists (not to say that we are all atheists, perhaps some of us just think atheists are amusing to be around).  

We will meet to discuss Historical Context Sunday, April 10th, 7pm at the usual locale.

Please RSVP.  

See you then,
Sabine
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The Eleventh Banter:

~Consider what you understand about historical and cultural context.  How do you see your own historical/cultural context as compared to Shakespeare’s historical/cultural context as compared to an African’s historical/cultural context who was one of  the slaves on a ship bound from West Africa to America between 1650 and 1850?  

~Consider how your own historical/cultural context influences the lens you are looking through when you look at Shakespeare’s writing of our favored lines in Macbeth.  Consider again how your historical/cultural context, or let’s just say embedment, steers what you think about and feel when you consider the African made to U.S. or British slave.

~From the complexity of these considerations arises our eleventh topic:  New Historicism.  It is a theory in literature that attempts to address complex questions of interpretation of history, whether we are piecing out what we think of Macbeth (as in Banter 10) or what we think of our own places upon the stage, so to speak.  New Historicism is just a lens, it’s not a religion, so let us try it on & see what we see (,take it off whenever you like):
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Assumptions underlying the New Historical critical approach               
(taken from Judith Newton, "History as Usual?: Feminism and the 'New Historicism,'" Cultural Critique 9 [1988]: 87-121):
  
    (1)"that there is no transhistorical or universal human essence and that human subjectivity is constructed by cultural codes which position and limit all of us in various and divided ways" (88).
                        a) Instead of the autonomous "self" or "individual," these critics speak of subject positions that are socially and linguistically constructed, created by various discourses of a given culture.
                        b) They are influenced by the work of the French theorist Michel Foucault, who focused upon the intricately structured power relations in a given culture at a given time to demonstrate how that society controls its members through constructing and defining what appear to be "universal" and "natural" truths.
                        c) They are skeptical toward any "universalizing" or "totalizing" claims, focusing rather on the specificities of a particular historical and cultural context.
       (2)"that there is no 'objectivity,' that we experience the 'world' in language, and that all our representations of the world, our readings of texts and of the past, are informed by our own historical position, by the values and politics that are rooted in them" (88).
                        a) They emphasize the necessity for self-awareness on the part of the critic, who must be constantly aware of the difficulties of seeing the past except through the lenses and cultural constructs of the present.
      (3)"that representation 'makes things happen' by 'shaping human consciousness' and that, as forces acting in history, various forms of representation ought to be read in relation to each other and in relation to non-discursive 'texts' like 'events'" (88-89).
                        a) Critics need to look not only at the historical causes of literary works, but also at their consequences.
                        b) In a process of thick description, they link literary works with many other cultural phenomena of a period, including the discourse of "popular culture" and of areas like economics, law, medicine, politics, etc.
                                           i) In anthropology and other fields, a thick description of a human behavior is one that explains not just the behavior, but its context as well, such that the behavior becomes meaningful to an outsider (from Wikipedia).
                         
New Historicism shares the above assumptions with what is often called Cultural Studies.

What is the New Historicism?

(Taken from a Bedford Critical Edition of Thomas Hardy’s Tess of the d’Urbervilles, editor John Paul Riquelme, 1998, p405-)

The title of Brook Thomas’s The New Historicism and Other Old-Fashioned Topics (1991) is telling.  Whenever an emergent theory, movement, method, approach, or group gets labeled with the adjective “new,” trouble is bound to ensue, for what is new today is either established, old, or forgotten tomorrow.  Few of you will have heard of the band called “The New Kids on the Block.”  New Age bookshops and jewelry may seem “old hat” by the time this introduction is published. […]

New historicist critics are less fact- and event-oriented than historical critics used to be, perhaps because they have come to wonder whether the truth about what really happened can ever be purely and objectively known.  They are less likely to see history as linear and progressive, as something developing toward the present or the future (“teleological”), and they are also less likely to think of it in terms of specific eras, each with a definite, persistent, and consistent Zeitgeist (“spirit of the times”).  Consequently, they are unlikely to suggest that a literary text has a single or easily identifiable historical context.

[…] Due in large part to Clifford Geertz’s anthropological influence, new historicists such as Stephen Greenblatt have asserted that literature is not a sphere apart or distinct from the history that is relevant to it.  That is what the old criticism tended to do:  present the background information you needed to know before you could fully appreciate the separate world of art.  The new historicist have used what Geertz would call “thick description” to blur distinctions, not only between history and the other social sciences but also between background and foreground, historical and literary materials, political and poetical events.  They have erased the old boundary line dividing historical and literary materials, showing that the production of one of Shakespeare’s historical plays was a political act and historical event, while at the same time showing that the coronation of Elizabeth I was carried out with the same care for staging and symbol lavished on works of dramatic art.

In addition to breaking down barriers that separate literature and history, history and the social sciences, new historicists have reminded us that it is treacherously difficult to reconstruct the past as it really was, rather than as we have been conditioned by our own place and time to believe that it was.  And they know that the job is utterly impossible for those who are unaware of that difficulty and insensitive to the bent or bias of their own historical/cultural vantage point.

[…]

In his introduction to a collection of new historical writings on The New Historicism (1989), H. Aram Veeser stresses the unity among new historicists, not by focusing on common critical procedures but, rather, by outlining five “key assumptions” that “continually reappear and bind together the avowed practitioners and even some of their critics”:

  1. that every expressive act is embedded in a network of material practices;
  2. that every act of unmasking, critique, and oppositions uses the tools it condemns and risks falling prey to the practice it exposes;
  3. that literary and non-literary texts circulate inseparably;
  4. that no discourse, imaginative or archival, gives access to unchanging truths nor expresses inalterable human nature;
  5. finally,…that a critical method and a language adequate to describe culture under capitalism participate in the economy they describe.

--Ross C. Muffin

(I have a superb essay by the new historicist Catherine Gallagher if you have read Thomas Hardy’s Tess of the d’Urbervilles, which shows New Historicism in action.  If you haven’t read Tess it won’t make much sense.  Ask me if you want it.)



A brief Shakespearean example of New Historicism, which ties in nicely with our ponderings at Banter 10 on why Shakespeare seemed to be expressing quite the existentialist stance in Macbeth’s “tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow” speech alongside heaven/hell and supersition/fate:

(From The Purpose of Playing:  Shakespeare and the Cultural Poetics…by Louis Montrose, p32-)

In As You Like It, the melancholy Jaques sententiously observes that

            All the world’s a stage,
            And all the men and women merely players;
            They have their exits and their entrances,
            And one man in his time plays many parts,
            His acts being seven ages.

Shakespeare’s plays reveal many traces of the older drama’s intimate connection to the annual agrarian and ecclesiastical cycles.  But perhaps more conspicuous and pervasive than these are the connections between Shakespearean comic and tragic forms and the Elizabethan life cycle—the sequence of acts performed in several ages by Jaques’ social players.  Typically, Shakespeare generates dramatic action by combining conflicts grounded in such fundamental cultural categories as ethnicity, lineage, generation, gender, political faction, and social rank.  Interpersonal conflicts—and also intrapersonal ones—give human and dramatic embodiment to ideological contradictions.  Shakespeare frequently focuses dramatic action precisely between the social acts, between the sequential ages, in the fictive lives of his characters.  Many of the plays turn upon points of transition in the life cycle—birth, puberty, marriage, death (and, by extension, inheritance and succession)—where discontinuities arise and where adjustments are necessary to basic interrelationships in the family, the household, and the society at large.

These dramatic actions have a partial affinity with rites of passage, which give a social shape, order, and sanction to human existence.  Such transition rites impose culture-specific thresholds upon the life cycle; and, by the same symbolic process, they conduct social actors safely from one stage of life to the next.  In other words, transition rites mediate the discontinuities, which they themselves have articulated.  The theatrical analogy to transition rites is not limited to the fictional space-time within the play.  The actual process of theatrical performance, marked off in both time and space from the normal flow and loci of social activity, offered to its audience—and, of course, to its performers—an imaginative experience that partially and temporarily removed them from their normal places, their ascribed subject positions.  In this sense, for the Queen’s common subjects, to go to the public playhouse to see a play was to undergo a marginal experience; it was to visit the interstices of the Elizabethan social and cognitive order.

So, you can see by this example, how new historicism really doesn’t separate the interpretation of the “All the world’s a stage” lines with historical influence on those lines being performed in Elizabethan England.  It is almost hard to splice the two threads, so closely are they interwoven.  This difficulty of looking is precisely what New Historicism attempts to get at.
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One particularly liberating aspect I’ve found with New Historicism in literature or in viewing history is that it lifts off the tendency toward anger—anger at the context of the times, really; but, outwardly anger at the wealthy, white, European male dominance; or anger at industry over nature; or anger at racism; or anger at last year’s wolf hunt.  With the wearing of a lens that is truly interested in historical/cultural/educational context somehow I am then purely curious instead of hostile or disappointed in humans yet again.  This may be why New Historicism compels me as much as it does.

Please attempt to apply some of what you’ve gleamed of these principles, with your adopted New Historicist lens, by interpreting the below lines.  Jot down notes & bring to banter:

AIN'T I A WOMAN?
by Sojourner Truth

Delivered 1851 at the Women's Convention in Akron, Ohio


Well, children, where there is so much racket there must be something out of kilter. I think that 'twixt the negroes of the South and the women at the North, all talking about rights, the white men will be in a fix pretty soon. But what's all this here talking about?

That man over there says that women need to be helped into carriages, and lifted over ditches, and to have the best place everywhere. Nobody ever helps me into carriages, or over mud-puddles, or gives me any best place! And ain't I a woman? Look at me! Look at my arm! I have ploughed and planted, and gathered into barns, and no man could head me! And ain't I a woman? I could work as much and eat as much as a man - when I could get it - and bear the lash as well! And ain't I a woman? I have borne thirteen children, and seen most all sold off to slavery, and when I cried out with my mother's grief, none but Jesus heard me! And ain't I a woman?

Then they talk about this thing in the head; what's this they call it? [member of audience whispers, "intellect"] That's it, honey. What's that got to do with women's rights or negroes' rights? If my cup won't hold but a pint, and yours holds a quart, wouldn't you be mean not to let me have my little half measure full?

Then that little man in black there, he says women can't have as much rights as men, 'cause Christ wasn't a woman! Where did your Christ come from? Where did your Christ come from? From God and a woman! Man had nothing to do with Him.

If the first woman God ever made was strong enough to turn the world upside down all alone, these women together ought to be able to turn it back , and get it right side up again! And now they is asking to do it, the men better let them.

Obliged to you for hearing me, and now old Sojourner ain't got nothing more to say.