Monday, December 13, 2010

Interim Banter Jan. 2nd 7pm & Banter 8 forthcoming last week of January

Fellow insatiable ones,

Good morning.  Banter 7 was lovely - the unsaid said, the hidden on display, as much as we could muster anyhow.  As Carrie articulated, it is fairly hard to speak of the folded parts because in so doing they are no longer folded, and thus would indicate an unfolded nature already.  We didn't get to a discussion of the brain image in Michelangelo's Capella Sistina, nor to the poem "Ode to a woman with white hair," and the topic remains largely untapped.  

For this reason, I'd like to offer up an interim banter to continue the Banter 7 discussion ("Cultural taboos released into being by literature and art.  The unsaid said.  The hidden on display.") on Sunday, January 2nd, 7pm @ my house.  Please RSVP a "oui" or "non."

Also, due to my graduate travels to Vermont for a large part of January & others' travel plans in early January, we are delaying Banter 8 until the last week of January.  How is the 24th, 26th, or 27th looking for your calendar (7pm)?  

Mike Fanning is going to articulate the topic for us in more depth momentarily, but the gist of it will be a non-nauseating, atypical exploration of Truth.  Once he sends us all a blurb on the topic, you can each then submit a piece of literature, academic work, artwork, etc. to prop up the topic & your understanding of it.

Thanks for creating some essential ripples, as always, in my perception of the world of Whitefish & beyond.  Perhaps enough of them will culminate into a bizarre wave down Central Avenue some late evening in January, no?  One can only hope.

Utmost regards,
Sabine

Monday, November 15, 2010

Banter 7: Cultural taboos released into being by literature & art. The unsaid said. The hidden on display.


 Questions:
  1. What have you gained permission to express via literature and art throughout your life?
  2. Of the art and literature pieces in this handout, what unsaid things are said here?
  3. Are they still taboo, or are they now passé & widely aired by the masses?
  4. Where are you still folded?  Where is the culture still folded?  (Refer to Rilke poem.)

Materials & explanation:
  1. Rilke poem (1875-1926, Bohemian-Austrian): … “I want to unfold./ I don’t want to stay folded anywhere,/because where I am folded,/there I am a lie” …  Perhaps this quote speaks to the very drive behind the pen or paintbrush of time immemorial’s artists.
  2. Kate Chopin’s “The Story of an Hour” (1851-1904, American):  an unanticipated reaction in the protagonist to death of a spouse due to her multitude of folded layers that unfold as a result of her husband’s presumed death.  The unfolding turns out to be tragic in this case, vs. enlightening or uplifting.
  3. Michelangelo’s Sistine Chapel Ceiling (1508-1512, Italian) detail of God Creating Man:  via an art history professor of mine, John Rawlings, I have arrived to consider the theory that Michelangelo was not simply a contrary grump but a contrary genius in the way that he may have been creating a grand spoof on Catholicism’s God-Creating-Man-surety by placing God inside a structure that very much resembles the human brain and brain stem, thereby offering those that would care to question such a grand portrayal of God being inside man’s mind, a human invention.  Conjecture.  But fun, and very compelling conjecture when you begin to analyze the painting.
  4. Euripides’ play Medea (summary) & Delacroix’s (1838, French) “Medea About to Kill Her Children”:  the good mommy syndrome called violently into question by the multitude of layers that any mother willing to admit it can attest to being real and complex, to say the least.  Not to say that acting out one’s emotions on one’s children is condoned, but I think Euripides’ 480-406 BCE (Ancient Athens, Greece) standpoint continues to ask the mothers of 2010 CE to be more forthcoming about their folded parts, in addition to the unfolded parts that they are overly proud to reveal (ie, loving, giving, selflessness).  I think Medea today is a less relevant commentary on betrayal and jealousy than it is on the complexity that is a Mother.
  5. Brigette’s “Ode to a woman with white hair” (b. 1977):  my own writing exploring the idea of the unsaid within the context of a personal experience with an older woman at the Wave one day…which cascaded into my reference point of my favorite grandmother who was born & raised in Berlin, lived through the war with it ending when she was in her early twenties, her fiancé being shot down as a German pilot, her being the recipient of Russian and American sexual violence in Berlin post-Hitler, marrying an American soldier to remove herself from it, moving to the US in the late 50s, forever pining for Europe, dying of vulvar cancer in 2003 in the US.
Rainer Maria Rilke
(translated by Robert Bly)

I am too alone in the world, and not alone enough
to make every minute holy.
I am too tiny in this world, and not tiny enough
just to lie before you like a thing,
shrewd and secretive.
I want my own will,
and I want simply to be with my will,
as it goes toward action,
and in the silent, sometimes hardly moving times
when something is coming near,
I want to be with those who know secret things
or else alone.
I want to be a mirror for your whole body,
and I never want to be blind, or to be too old
to hold up your heavy and swaying picture.
I want to unfold.
I don't want to stay folded anywhere,
because where I am folded, there I am a lie.
And I want my grasp of things
true before you. I want to describe myself
like a painting that I looked at
closely for a long time,
like a saying that I finally understood,
like the pitcher I use every day,
like the face of my mother,
like a ship
that took me safely
through the wildest storm of all.
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The Story of an Hour
by Kate Chopin

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detail of Capella Sistina, Vatican, Rome, by Michelangelo

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Delacroix's Medea About to Kill Her Children, Paris, 1838



Medea
Summary & analysis of the play by Euripides
This document was originally published in The Drama: Its History, Literature and Influence on Civilization, vol. 1. ed. Alfred Bates. London: Historical Publishing Company, 1906. p. 192-196.
Source:  http://www.theatrehistory.com/ancient/bates018.html

The Medea tells the story of the jealousy and revenge of a woman betrayed by her husband. She has left home and father for Jason's sake, and he, after she has borne him children, forsakes her, and betroths himself to Glauce, the daughter of Creon, ruler of Corinth. Creon orders her into banishment that her jealousy may not lead her to do her child some injury. In vain she begs not to be cast forth, and finally asks for but one day's delay. This Creon grants, to the undoing of him and his. Jason arrives and reproaches Medea with having provoked her sentence by her own violent temper. Had she had the sense to submit to sovereign power she would never have been thrust away by him. In reply she reminds her husband of what she had once done for him; how for him she had betrayed her father and her people; for his sake had caused Pelias, whom he feared, to be killed by his own daughters.

"I am the mother of your children. Whither can I fly, since all Greece hates the barbarian?"

"It is not you," answers Jason, "who once saved me, but love, and you have had from me more than you gave. I have brought you from a barbarous land to Greece, and in Greece you are esteemed for your wisdom. And without fame of what avail is treasure or even the gifts of the Muses? Moreover, it is not for love that I have promised to marry the princess, but to win wealth and power for myself and for my sons. Neither do I wish to send you away in need; take as ample a provision as you like, and I will recommend you to the care of my friends."
She refuses with scorn his base gifts, "Marry the maid if thou wilt; perchance full soon thou mayst rue thy nuptials."

Meantime, Aegeus, the ruler of Athens, arrives at Corinth from Delphi, Medea laments her fate to him and asks his aid; he swears that in Athens she shall find refuge. Now, reassured, she turns to vengeance. She has Jason summoned, and when he comes she begs for his forgiveness.

"Forgive what I said in anger! I will yield to the decree, and only beg one favor, that my children may stay. They shall take to the princess a costly robe and a golden crown, and pray for her protection."

The prayer is granted and the gifts accepted. But soon a messenger appears, announcing the result:

"Alas! The bride had died in horrible agony; for no sooner had she put on Medea's gifts than a devouring poison consumed her limbs as with fire, and in his endeavor to save his daughter the old father died too."

Nor is her vengeance by any means complete. She leads her two children to the house, and that no other may slay them in revenge, murders them herself. Very effective is this scene in which, after a soliloquy of agonizing doubt and hesitation, she resolves on this awful deed:
In vain, my children, have I brought you up,
Borne all the cares and pangs of motherhood,
And the sharp pains of childbirth undergone.
In you, alas, was treasured many a hope
Of loving sustentation in my age,
Of tender laying out when I was dead,
Such as all men might envy.
Those sweet thoughts are mine no more, for now bereft of you
I must wear out a drear and joyless life,
And you will nevermore your mother see,
Nor live as ye have done beneath her eye.
Alas, my sons, why do you gaze on me,
Why smile upon your mother that last smile?
Ah me! What shall I do? My purpose melts
Beneath the bright looks of my little ones.
I cannot do it. Farewell, my resolve,
I will bear off my children from this land.
Why should I seek to wring their father's heart,
When that same act will doubly wring my own?
I will not do it. Farewell, my resolve.
What has come o'er me? Shall I let my foes
Triumph, that I may let my friends go free?
I'll brace me to the deed. Base that I was
To let a thought of wickedness cross my soul.
Children, go home. Whoso accounts it wrong
To be attendant at my sacrifice,
Let him stand off; my purpose is unchanged.
Forego my resolutions, O my soul,
Force not the parent's hand to slay the child.
Their presence where we will go will gladden thee.
By the avengers that in Hades reign,
It never shall be said that I have left
My children for my foes to trample on.
It is decreed.

Jason, who has come to punish the murderess of his bride, hears that his children have perished too, and Medea herself appears to him in the chariot of the sun, bestowed by Helios, the sun-god, upon his descendants. She revels in the anguish of her faithless husband.

"I do not leave my children's bodies with thee; I take them with me that I may bury them in Hera's precinct. And for thee, who didst me all that evil, I prophesy an evil doom."

She flies to Aegeus at Athens, and the tragedy closes with the chorus:
Manifold are thy shapings, Providence!
Many a hopeless matter gods arrange.
What we expected never came to pass,
What we did not expect the gods brought to bear;
So have things gone, this whole experience through!"

This drama is a masterly presentment of passion in its secret folds and recesses. The suffering and sensitiveness of injured love are strongly drawn, and with the utmost nicety of observation, passing from one stage to another, until they culminate in the awful deed of vengeance. The mighty enchantress who is yet a weak woman is powerfully delineated. The touches of motherly tenderness are in the highest degree pathetic. The strife of emotions which passion engenders is admirably shown; and amid all the stress of their conflict, and amid all this sophistical and illusive commonplaces which work upon the soul, hate and vengeance win the day. Medea is criminal, but not without cause, and not without strength and dignity. Such an inner world of emotion is alien from the genius of the religious and soldier-like AeschylusSophocles creates characters to act on one another, and endows them with qualities accordingly; Euripides opens a new world to art and gives us a nearer view of passionate emotion, both in its purest forms and in the wildest aberrations by which men are controlled, or troubled, or destroyed.
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Ode to a woman with white hair
by Sabine Brigette

You can throw the bottle away
and smell like your own skin
and reclaim what they taught you was something to hide and disguise in flowering scents that fill a room but leave you empty
leave you with lesions that will take you down before your time
with the whole room knowing that you don’t know yet that douching’s not good for you
and that you had a husband that liked you better when he could pretend you were a bottle to put himself into
rather than a woman with folds and feelings and fears and questions and something needing held, not washed away
he never knew about the Russians did he?
he only knew to climb on top of you
he never knew he wasn’t the first
he never understood why you died of vulvar cancer
but what you understood was your own sexuality days before you died
and it was yours again though they had cut it all away
because you could speak of yourself as a woman beneath men for the first time
and smile at the thought that it was different for your granddaughter.

Wednesday, October 27, 2010

Banter 6 Tuesday, November 16th 7pm



(fruit fly ovum and sperm)                                                          (human ovum and sperm)

BANTER 6 TOPIC: Consider our arrival to a month of deer and elk hunting in our area, the current wolf debate in Montana, the season of going into darkness & winter, a time of scarcity for wildlife, etc. to keep the topic in sync with some of our local goings-on.  

If there is one, what is the difference between a human killing an animal for food/sustenance (incl. hunting, slaughterhouse, farming) and an animal (predator--eagle, wolf, wolverine, cheetah...) killing another animal for food/sustenance? 
  • explore your own opinions & internal reactions to the above question
  • explore the readings and try to broaden your perception of the topic
  • write down your initial & evolving thoughts on the topic as you read the prep-work & bring to banter 6

And if you don't see a practical difference, what about an emotional/ethical/spiritual difference between the two?  (We aren't addressing predator to predator killing or human murder/animal cruelty issues in this topic...but basing the discussion around predatory/prey instincts & sustenance). We can also feather the topic into death itself--what is different, for ex., about an elk grazing in a North Fork meadow vs. one in the back of a pick-up?

Sam's contribution:  E.M. Forster's "The Other Side of the Hedge"  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Other_Side_of_the_Hedge

Pam's contributions:

Mike's contribution:  "The Meat Eaters" from NY Times blog (sent via email)

Anna's contribution:  attached four pieces of art (sent via email)

Sabine's contribution: “Grub first, then ethics.”--Bertolt Brecht  &  excerpts from The Jungle, The Wolverine Way, and Animal, Vegetable, Miracle (sent via email).

Shawna's contribution:  excerpt from Aldo Leopold's A Sand County Almanac:  "Wolf Killing"  http://gargravarr.cc.utexas.edu/chrisj/leopold-quotes.html


Judy Chicago's Birth Tear


Ahimsa (yogic principle)-nonviolence toward self and toward living beings
Buddhist monk, self-immolation (or bonzo) against Vietnamese regime, Saigon, Vietnam, 1963:
Loving Kindness (Buddhist) Meditation:  May all beings everywhere be free from suffering and the causes of sufferingMay all beings everywhere be free from violence and the causes of violenceMay all beings everywhere be free from fear and the causes of fearMay all beings everywhere be free from sadness and the causes of sadnessMay all beings everywhere feel safeMay all beings everywhere be happyMay you be free from sufferingMay you be free from violenceMay you be free from fearMay you be free from sadnessMay you feel safeMay you be happyMay I be free from sufferingMay I be free from violenceMay I be free from fearMay I be free from sadnessMay I feel safeMay I feel happy. 

Inuit mother & child
Frida Kahlo's The Little Deer

Rwanda, the Hutus against the Tutsis, 1993

Klimt's Death and Life



Friday, October 1, 2010


Banter 5: How do you distinguish Self from Other?
Tuesday, October 26th at 7pm
in Sabine's living room

As far as we can discern, the sole purpose of human existence is to kindle a light of meaning in the darkness of mere being.  
~Carl Jung
**Thanks for Banter 5 tonight--it took its own route as our collaborative banter walked down nine varying paths into Self and out to Other.  I particularly appreciate the way the Banter Nights are allowing discourse without attempting uniform arrival or group consensus on these topics (ie, badgering or standing on a soapbox).  I would, however, like to see us move even further out onto the precarious limb of simultaneously considering multiple angles that are not in line with our own and thus away from banter (very stable &) rooted in opinion.  It's something like keeping two feet on the ground for a sense of safety and thinking that is the entire world...or climbing up into the branches (that may break) and seeing that the world is quite a lot more than your forest.**
READINGS:
Isaac's contribution:
Kari's contribution:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/39129756/Kari-s-contribution-to-Banter-5
Jill's contribution: 
Joel's contribution:
Episode:Who Am I http://www.radiolab.org/2007/may/07/


Episode: Who Are You
http://www.radiolab.org/2010/may/14/


Pam's contribution: A human being is a part of the whole called by us universe, a part limited in time and space.  He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest, a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness.  This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us.  Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty.     --Albert Einstein, as quoted in “How can I help?” by Ram Dass and Paul Gorman
Alli's contribution:
"Ego is able to convert everything to its own use, even spirituality. For example, if you have learned of a particularly beneficial meditation technique of spiritual practice, then ego's attitude is first to regard it as an object of fascination, and, second to examine it. Finally, since ego is seemingly solid and cannot really absorb anything, it can only mimic. Thus ego tries to examine and imitate the practice of meditation and the meditative way of life. When we have learned all the tricks and answers of the spiritual game, we automatically try to imitate spirituality, since real involvement would require the complete elimination of ego, and actually the last thing we want to do is give up the ego completely. However, we cannot experience that which we are trying to imitate; we can only find some area within the bounds of ego that seems to be the same thing. Ego translates everything in terms of its own state of health, its own inherent qualities. It feels a sense of great accomplishment and excitement at having been able to create a pattern. At last it has creatives a tangible accomplishment, a confirmation of its own individuality.

If we become successful at maintaining our self consciousness through spiritual techniques, then genuine spiritual development is highly unlikely. Our mental habits become so strong as to be hard to penetrate. We may even go so far as to achieve the totally demonic state of complete "Egohood"." ~Chögyam Trungpa
Carrie's contribution:

Matthew's contribution:  forthcoming
Mike's contribution: forthcoming
Anna's contribution:  forthcoming                                  ________________________________________________________                                                             Questions for reflection pre-banter:              1. Read at least a portion of each of the above readings.  Annotate or journal as you like while reading.





2.  What is your sense of Self vs. Other.  Write down, bring to share.  How do you determine what your Self is, from what your varying parts are, to what is simply not you, and Other, outside of you?


3. Pam's question:  how do you work toward embracing other w/out compromising self?


4. Assimilate the ideas presented in the readings into your idea of Self and Other.  The readings are diverse.  If there is something you disagree with or see as irrelevant in the readings, please don't discount them, but incorporate that which you don't like/agree with into your sense of how that topic doesn't have to do with your sense of Self or Other, write it down, bring it to share.

5.  This is banter.  Push on your edges and on each other's.  









People wish to be settled:  only as far as they are unsettled is there any hope for them.  ~Ralph Waldo Emerson, Essays, 1841




                                                                                                (Photo of Jung)


The body is a house of many windows:  there we all sit, showing ourselves and crying on the passers-by to come and love us. 
                                    ~Robert Louis Stevenson








And remember, no matter where you go, there you are.  ~Confucius


I took a deep breath and listened to the old bray of my heart.  I am.  I am.  I am.  ~Sylvia Plath








All men are sculptors, constantly chipping away the unwanted parts of their lives, trying to create their idea of a masterpiece.  ~Eddie Murphy, 1979


We are happy when for everything inside us there is a corresponding something outside us.  ~W.B. Yeats





Tuesday, September 7, 2010

Banter no. 4

Thursday, September 30th @ 8pm
@ Sabine's house
was brilliant with nine attendees


A man should look for what is, and not for what he thinks should be.
--Albert Einstein
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Topic

 Is objectivity possible?  Is being logical/objective desirable? (ie, in our banter group or in life amid intelligent humans?) Or are we inexorably embedded in our cultural/historical/educational context--therefore perhaps we should just dive wholeheartedly into our subjectivity?

Definitions:

Objectivity/to be objective:  1.b. of, relating to, or being an  object, phenomenon, or condition in the realm of sensible experience independent of individual thought and perceptible by all observers:  having reality independent of the mind; 3.a. expressing or dealing with facts or conditions as perceived without distortion by personal feelings, prejudices, or interpretations (an objective history of the war, an objective judgment) (from merriam webster).  1. the basic tenet of scientific method is objectivity--in essence separation of observer and observed.

Embedment/to be embedded (can also be imbed/imbedded):  1. To fix firmly in a surrounding mass. 3. To cause to be an integral part of a surrounding whole.  4.  To assign (a journalist) to travel with a military unit during an armed conflict.  5. A phenomenon in mechanical engineering in which the surfaces between mechanical members of a loaded joint embed.  It can lead to failure by fatigue.  6. (Math.) To represent (a graph) by points and lines in a given surface in such a way that no two edges intersect; to incorporate (a mathematical structure) in a larger structure while preserving all important structural features.

Inexorable:  Incapable of being persuaded or moved by entreaty; that cannot be prevailed upon to yield to request; not to be moved from one's purpose or determination; relentless.

Point of view (POV):  The vantage point from which an author presents a story.

a. Limited Omniscient POV:  POV in which the narrator sees into the minds of some but not all of the characters.  Most typically, limited omniscient POV sees through the eyes of one major or minor character.
b. First Person POV:  If a character in a story tells the story as he or she experienced it, using I or we, it is first person pov.

Questions:  (to attempt @ Banter 4)
1.  Is it possible to stand outside of yourself, to truly be objective and see a situation, a piece of literature, a historical situation, a memory, a conflict, etc.?  Or are we each inexorably embedded within our context, culture, historical time, educational bias, etc.?

2. Is there any way to get around our context, patterns, angle, embedment?

3.  Why is logic or objectivity important to you?  When isn't it important?

Tasks (before Banter 4)
1. RSVP whether you will or will not be coming.

2.  Attempt to list out all of your influences to your particular angle on the world, your particular color and shape of lenses you wear with which you see the world through.  (Include exuberant influences and tragic ones.)  **Write this down, bring to share...don't have to share unless you want to.

3.  Attempt to see your own context, and contemplate which angles it might be very hard for you to see, which lenses it might be quite impossible for you to wear.

4.  Read the poem "A Difference of Fifty-Three Years" (see source below), write down your initial reactions, attempt not to edit yourself or make yourself more heady, less emotional than you might actually be.  Then reread the poem, write down your more objective reactions, your reactions which may consider another lens to view the poem from.  Observe the relation of this to the above two tasks.  Bring this to banter night.

5. After reading the scholarly essays (particularly Said's), explore this for yourself:  do you romanticize about something (international ways of life, the freedom of travel, being a good parent, organic food, intellectual forums, yoga, being vulnerable with close friends, a person you love, community altruism, open-mindedness, what meditation can do for the world, artists, indigenous cultures, the 1920s, etc.) to the point that you only look at the aspects that support your particular angle and romanticism of the object at hand?  Write this down, bring to share.  (For example, note that I have offered a set of questions and readings that lean heavily on my romanticism of the literary, academic world produced by highly educated humans.)

Readings: (try to read all of the fiction and poetry, and at least one scholarly piece on objectivity/context)

In regard to logic:  W. Somerset Maugham's very short story "Appointment in Samarra", my quick narrative about "Escape Velocity" and a discussion with three friends, followed by Walt Whitman's poem "When I Heard the Learn'd Astronomer."  Also three pages out of a book called Rhetoric & Contemporary Logic.

In regard to objectivity, or having an angle you can't see past:  Compare Wilfred Owen's poem "Dulce et decorum est"  with Thomas Hardy's poem "The Man He Killed."  Then compare Frank O'Connor's two versions of short story "First Confession" (limited omniscient version vs. first person version).

In regard to delving further into cultural context and being embedded in cultural context, etc.:  Read at least one of three scholarly essays (reading all three will help drive the grasping of cultural context/embedment quite a bit higher, however)--
                                         1.Ohmann's "Shaping of a Canon"
                                         2. Edward Said's "Orientalism"
                                         3. Deepika Bahri's "What is Postcolonialism?"
         

Sources for the above reading:

             2.(1st person version of O'Connor's): (via email--pdf)
             3. (Limited omniscient version of O'Connor's): (via email--pdf)

             2.  (Dulce et dec.)http://www.warpoetry.co.uk/owen1.html
             4.  (A diff. of 53) http://writersalmanac.publicradio.org/index.php?date=2010/09/13

Scholarly essays:  pdfs sent via email to banter group

Rhetoric & Contemporary Logic:  pdfs sent via email to banter group

Brief narrative on escape velocity:  word doc sent via email to banter group

Quasi-logical/quasi-metaphysical exploration of scientific objectivity:                

Definitions:  Oxford English Dictionary (OED), Merriam-Webster dictionary, Wikipedia, A Handbook to Literature